Marriage Defined
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Marriage Defined
Okay. So I’m just this 20 year old, who seems to be very confused, because I think I can be both conservative and liberal, both Marxist and libertarian. I’ve the audacity to make a statement about the gay marriage debate. I see it as a human right, constitutional, and religious issue.
I believe that marriage is a religious ceremony binding a man and a woman together. I believe God gave us reproductive organs to – I’m sure you’ve guessed it by now – reproduce! I believe homosexual sex is a sin, according to Christianity. God gave us sex to reproduce. If you’re not trying to reproduce as a result of sex, then you’re wasting time (which is a sin). That means having sex merely for pleasure (and not to make babies) is a sin—even for heterosexuals.
I also believe Jesus died for all our sins. He who is without sin should cast the first stone. People ought to let others have their God-given liberty to choose for themselves.
I believe in the separation of church and state. Therefore, I believe the state should not legalize any marriage between anyone . Straight and gay people ought to all have domestic partnerships that are equal under the law. If you want to get married, find a church that will perform the ceremony for you. Maybe a post-modern church will understand gay sex is only as sinful as any other sin that’s forgiven by God.
Please don’t be intolerant. Jesus went through a lot of pain to destroy death for all of mankind. Don’t make people feel worse than they already feel about themselves. When you hate, most of that negative energy stays with you and fails to translate anyway.
People ought to be secure in their orientation. If you see a same-sex couple, and know they're married, does that mean you'll convert to "gayness"? Is it so wrong that people don't have babies every time they have sex? I can see why Christians would need to populate centuries ago, but today? Isn't there enough human beings? I thought Paul said "All the old laws are now void."
You decide. I just want you to see both sides of this issue.
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Daniel - please for the sake of the person you might grow up to be - please stop preaching to your elders. Your inexperience is manifest, as is your intelligence. Don't let the latter mask the former. Be a little humble, a little respectful, and take your chances. Pride cometh, etc...
If your definition of sin is that it is only a bit of religious nonsense that the rest of us can ignore, then I agree with everything you said. Otherwise, see Paraglider's comment.
Pcunix,
Well, this debate in religion has certainly become nonsense, so I've decided to intellectually level the playing field. This is the only rationality I can think of (and can find in scripture) to justify gay sex as a sin. Note that I don't think gay love is a sin. No love ever could be a sin.
I really ought to write a whole hub why all sins have been forgiven anyway, so this judgementalism is a huge waste of time (a sin, in fact).
I guess you should have stressed that "according to Christianity" more. I think we all had the feeling that was your view also.
Remember that there is a higher percentage of atheists here than in the real world. We tend not to like religious nonsense being used to justify anything :-)
Pcunix,
My view is that Jesus died for every sin. What is a sin and what isn't a sin becomes rather irrelevant. If you're a true believer, you can stop worrying about what's right or wrong. You can start to care for people, to love them.
As far as I'm concerned, sex is only incidental in love-making.
Thanks for the comment,
Dan
Dave Mathews Level 7 Commenter 22 months ago
Daniel; making love, having sex within a marriage for the pleasure of enjoying the intimacy of being together is neither a waste of time nor is it a sin.
A man cannot just turn to his woman and ask; Okay are you ready to make a baby, are all your eggs ready and willing to become fertilized, cuz if you are'nt ready we are'nt going to make love or have sex? On your wedding night, is this what you plan to say to your bride? I hope not.
Making love and having sex, is the ultimate form of communication to be shared between a husband and wife. It allows both partners a physical form of communicating their deepest feelings and love for each other.
Brother Dave